Dr_Eggman
19th July 2005, 05:25
I'll explain my topic title.
No nation to date has practiced real socialism or real communism.
The old Soviet Union were just a dictatorship with a new face. Not a dictatorship of the proletarian (working people) but dictatorships of the elite.
A true Socialist state can only come about in a democracy, specifically a representative democracy (like the United States at the federal level).
A true Communist state also must be in a democracy. This time, however, a direct democracy (like Switzerland, albeit Switzerland and the United States are both not or have not claimed to be Socialist or Communist states).
But it is not only government that needs a change, change also needs to happen in the case of corporations and companies. Instead of being owned by heirs to fortunes, they should be owned by a union composed of the workers themselves. If we could start there with corporations and other companies, then governments would be soon to follow.
Some of you may be saying that Communism and Socialism are atheist. This is incorrect, this was not from the teachings of Socialism or Communism (though Marx himself was an atheist) but instead was imposed by dictatorships. A real Socialist or Communist nation would have religious tolerance. This means that a Christian can be a Socialist, a Jew can be a Socialist, and even a Muslim can be a Socialist.
China, North Korea, and the old Soviet Union were not and in the case of China and North Korea, still aren't true Socialist or Communist countries.
Just as the Ku Klux Klan and recent fundamentalist "Christians" have disgraced the name of Christianity, the Jewish Defense Leagye has disgraced the name of Judaism, and Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups have disgraced the name of Islam, so too has the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea disgraced the name of Socialism and Communism.
One also must realize that capitalism and democracy are not directly connected. Democracy is independent from capitalism and capitalism is independent of democracy. We can say that since China (a cliamed "Communist state") really practices what most would call capitalism and yet they do not practice democracy as most know it.
When one says Socialist or Communist, one would probably think of men dressed in uniforms or white men with long hair in protests. However, real Socialists and Communists can wear clothes that one could recognize. They could be wearing overalls, a welder's outfit, a boat captain's suit, teenage clothes, the cloths of a priest, the cloths of an imam, the cloths of a rabbi, or any other such clothing. We are not bound by clothing nor of race, gender, nationality, nor religion.
Socialists in the United States in the 1930s, people forming workers' unions, helped to give workers rights and not have to slave like animals for a greedy parasite who just sat on his ass, collecting the money by just owning the company.
Socialists in the United States in the 1960s, also fought for the equality of their black neighbors. Again, they also fought in the 1970s for the equality of women in the work place, if they so chose to have a job, etc.
So, in Afghanistan in the 1970s and 1980s, they weren't fighting Socialism nor Communism, but a nation that claimed that they were Communist. The Afghanistanis were fighting because they were being occupied, which one would be expected to do until their country is no longer occupied.
No nation to date has practiced real socialism or real communism.
The old Soviet Union were just a dictatorship with a new face. Not a dictatorship of the proletarian (working people) but dictatorships of the elite.
A true Socialist state can only come about in a democracy, specifically a representative democracy (like the United States at the federal level).
A true Communist state also must be in a democracy. This time, however, a direct democracy (like Switzerland, albeit Switzerland and the United States are both not or have not claimed to be Socialist or Communist states).
But it is not only government that needs a change, change also needs to happen in the case of corporations and companies. Instead of being owned by heirs to fortunes, they should be owned by a union composed of the workers themselves. If we could start there with corporations and other companies, then governments would be soon to follow.
Some of you may be saying that Communism and Socialism are atheist. This is incorrect, this was not from the teachings of Socialism or Communism (though Marx himself was an atheist) but instead was imposed by dictatorships. A real Socialist or Communist nation would have religious tolerance. This means that a Christian can be a Socialist, a Jew can be a Socialist, and even a Muslim can be a Socialist.
China, North Korea, and the old Soviet Union were not and in the case of China and North Korea, still aren't true Socialist or Communist countries.
Just as the Ku Klux Klan and recent fundamentalist "Christians" have disgraced the name of Christianity, the Jewish Defense Leagye has disgraced the name of Judaism, and Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups have disgraced the name of Islam, so too has the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea disgraced the name of Socialism and Communism.
One also must realize that capitalism and democracy are not directly connected. Democracy is independent from capitalism and capitalism is independent of democracy. We can say that since China (a cliamed "Communist state") really practices what most would call capitalism and yet they do not practice democracy as most know it.
When one says Socialist or Communist, one would probably think of men dressed in uniforms or white men with long hair in protests. However, real Socialists and Communists can wear clothes that one could recognize. They could be wearing overalls, a welder's outfit, a boat captain's suit, teenage clothes, the cloths of a priest, the cloths of an imam, the cloths of a rabbi, or any other such clothing. We are not bound by clothing nor of race, gender, nationality, nor religion.
Socialists in the United States in the 1930s, people forming workers' unions, helped to give workers rights and not have to slave like animals for a greedy parasite who just sat on his ass, collecting the money by just owning the company.
Socialists in the United States in the 1960s, also fought for the equality of their black neighbors. Again, they also fought in the 1970s for the equality of women in the work place, if they so chose to have a job, etc.
So, in Afghanistan in the 1970s and 1980s, they weren't fighting Socialism nor Communism, but a nation that claimed that they were Communist. The Afghanistanis were fighting because they were being occupied, which one would be expected to do until their country is no longer occupied.